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The Hackaday TE013 mode is not correct. I ran a frequency sweep on that frustum, with info from Paul K about antenna size and location. There were no TE01x modes excited. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIhE3PRKM6o
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Any objections to adding the TE012 test where no thrust was measured as a line in the chart? See the Brady et.al paper page 18. --[[User:Sfrank|Sfrank]] ([[User talk:Sfrank|talk]]) 13:16, 5 June 2015 (PDT)
 
Any objections to adding the TE012 test where no thrust was measured as a line in the chart? See the Brady et.al paper page 18. --[[User:Sfrank|Sfrank]] ([[User talk:Sfrank|talk]]) 13:16, 5 June 2015 (PDT)
  
 
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The Brady et.al. report reads:
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I added to the database the TE012 test that registered no thrust.
  
<<We performed some very early evaluations without the dielectric resonator (TE012 mode at 2168 MHz, with power levels up to ~30 watts) and measured no significant net thrust.>>
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Yes several objections, noted in the thread.  It was performed at the very earliest in NASA's testing program, @TheTraveller made an argument that it was conducted at the wrong frequency, not enough details are given in the Brady report to resolve this.  Brady et.al. did not even include that test on their table of results.  Suggest to wait until NASA conducts the tests without a dielectric this summer (with a magnetron).
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OK, adding Yang's resultsHow about Brady et.al's Cannae tests?  There's no Q or Mode data but we have Freq, Watts and measured thrust.--[[User:Sfrank|Sfrank]] ([[User talk:Sfrank|talk]]) 18:50, 5 June 2015 (PDT)
  
Notice that Brady et.al. doesn't provide the Q quality factor of resonance. If they would have provided the Q, I would be in favor of including it, since it would constitute a proof that a test was conducted at high Q giving no thrust.  But unfortunately they didn't provide the Q.  If the Q was near zero, it would be no surprise that they registered no thrust force, because the EM Drive is supposed to register a thrust measure only when the cavity is excited at resonance.  Essentially if a Q is not provided , and they register no thrust, one doesn't know what the reason is for this. 
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We should start filling the table with Prof. Yang's results (even though it is not possible to fill the whole table, they are merited because they were published in a peer-reviewed journal, and they were conducted at a University.
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I can find no data for the Brady et.al. Cannae test input power in Watts.  You write that we have it.  Can you please point out where is the watts data ?
  
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No problemo with adding Brady et.al. Cannae test, but it should be done directly under the Cannae superconducting because it has that same flying saucer strange shape.  It is not the same shape as the rest of the data, so it should not be mixed with the data below.
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It should be described something like this:  '''"Cannae test by NASA Brady et.al."''' and placed right under the Cannae Superconducting test
  
 
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I think the date of experiment could be of interest. Regards.
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I noted at the time the NASA results were published that they had not used the same design as used by EMDRIVE and China.  They used a design patented by an American.  The EMDRIVE seen at emdrive.com and tested by China is of a different patented design.  I do not see that reflected in the page.
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Latest revision as of 13:39, 6 September 2017

The Hackaday TE013 mode is not correct. I ran a frequency sweep on that frustum, with info from Paul K about antenna size and location. There were no TE01x modes excited. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIhE3PRKM6o

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Any objections to adding the TE012 test where no thrust was measured as a line in the chart? See the Brady et.al paper page 18. --Sfrank (talk) 13:16, 5 June 2015 (PDT)

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I added to the database the TE012 test that registered no thrust.

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OK, adding Yang's results. How about Brady et.al's Cannae tests? There's no Q or Mode data but we have Freq, Watts and measured thrust.--Sfrank (talk) 18:50, 5 June 2015 (PDT)

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I can find no data for the Brady et.al. Cannae test input power in Watts. You write that we have it. Can you please point out where is the watts data ?

No problemo with adding Brady et.al. Cannae test, but it should be done directly under the Cannae superconducting because it has that same flying saucer strange shape. It is not the same shape as the rest of the data, so it should not be mixed with the data below.

It should be described something like this: "Cannae test by NASA Brady et.al." and placed right under the Cannae Superconducting test

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I think the date of experiment could be of interest. Regards.


I noted at the time the NASA results were published that they had not used the same design as used by EMDRIVE and China. They used a design patented by an American. The EMDRIVE seen at emdrive.com and tested by China is of a different patented design. I do not see that reflected in the page.

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